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Post by gradri on Feb 1, 2008 13:28:53 GMT 1
Well i'm sick of this once more! Well how to say it nice , Anders your engine suuuuuuuckkkkkkksss! Wanna know why? Basically it's like this. Doesn't matters how strong teams are there is just to many random situations when one teams goes from - 10 to +3! well my friend in REAL handball it doesn't work like that. even twice weaker team can hold +10 for quite some time and not national teams that have equal or stronger then opponent. Well you must be wondering what i'm talking about! well here is example of most foolish game recently (since that Croatia- Denmark farce) Once again it happen that Croatia (298,6) lost such a big advantage ( from +9 to -3 at the end) against Slovenia (290,5). Common f***ing unbelievable! This really pisses me off as there are so many lets call it stupid thing happening right now and that weaker team goes from -9 to +3 is just unreal. When NT's play there should be no oscillation in the result. Even my team would hold those +9 and i think most of people will agree that stronger team leading +9 can't loose that advantage. Well i can only say that you engine doesn't works well. Lets say it that at least better team has equal chances to score but surely better team has slightly better chance to make small goal series, i really don't know how did you set your engine but i can surely say that this is not the case. we see to often that teams leading +4 in last 5 mins loose that advantage, that some team makes huge series and it ruins peoples interest and hopes. In this Cro-Slo game in one moment there were 15 goals for Slovenia while just 3 goals for Croatia or 6 goals in row for Slovenia. IMHO here you can see all mistakes made in engine as chances that weaker team will make something like this equal that San Marino will win World Football Championship. Surely it's small and exists but is insignificant. So lets hope for everybody happiness and nerves that first thing that will be modified on HM will be engine as nothing is so annoying ATM. Hope that you will turn attention to this problem as people complained before also. Best way to improve this game is to solve basic problems and then deal with small things. please don't get me wrong i just wanna speak what's in peoples mind. Thnx, Gradri
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Post by GM-JRGalo on Feb 1, 2008 14:48:16 GMT 1
As someone told time ago: "Take a beer while the match is being playing, and don´t look at on live". The engine only calculate well the final result.
If you also play to Hattrick you will know that there can be 5 or 6 goals in a minute. It makes people be interested until the match finish.
Looking the stats: Croatia (298,6) against Slovenia (290,5) are similars, so it´s not strange you lost.
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Post by gradri on Feb 1, 2008 15:20:35 GMT 1
As someone told time ago: "Take a beer while the match is being playing, and don´t look at on live". The engine only calculate well the final result. If you also play to Hattrick you will know that there can be 5 or 6 goals in a minute. It makes people be interested until the match finish. Looking the stats: Croatia (298,6) against Slovenia (290,5) are similars, so it´s not strange you lost. very strange is that this never happen to Spain or Denmark! If this happend to you today against Portugal you would be pissed also...hmmmm? man get real... in this case what you say also indicates that Anders set engine not in the best way. And how the hell you know it only calculates final result well? First of all if it calculates final result result correct then it should also calculate 5 min results correct. There is no difference. btw Hattrick is not best engine example! there are much more better online managers that have good engine and that all should look up to.
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Post by totoo on Feb 1, 2008 15:24:51 GMT 1
As someone told time ago: "Take a beer while the match is being playing, and don´t look at on live". The engine only calculate well the final result. If you also play to Hattrick you will know that there can be 5 or 6 goals in a minute. It makes people be interested until the match finish. Looking the stats: Croatia (298,6) against Slovenia (290,5) are similars, so it´s not strange you lost. shut up!
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Post by GM-JRGalo on Feb 1, 2008 15:28:49 GMT 1
I don´t know if it only calculates the final result, but many only managers do that. At Spanish league has also happened something like that many times, but we know it´s normal and don´t do a drama of it
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Post by dragosv on Feb 1, 2008 15:29:34 GMT 1
As someone told time ago: "Take a beer while the match is being playing, and don´t look at on live". The engine only calculate well the final result. If you also play to Hattrick you will know that there can be 5 or 6 goals in a minute. It makes people be interested until the match finish. Looking the stats: Croatia (298,6) against Slovenia (290,5) are similars, so it´s not strange you lost. very strange is that this never happen to Spain or Denmark! If this happend to you today against Portugal you would be pissed also...hmmmm? man get real... in this case what you say also indicates that Anders set engine not in the best way. And how the hell you know it only calculates final result well? First of all if it calculates final result result correct then it should also calculate 5 min results correct. There is no difference. btw Hattrick is not best engine example! there are much more better online managers that have good engine and that all should look up to. Maybe you don´t know, but the first time this happened to the national teams, Denmark made and equal against Asia, who had a lot worse value than Denmark (around 40 points at least).
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Post by dragosv on Feb 1, 2008 15:34:05 GMT 1
Well i'm sick of this once more! Well how to say it nice , Anders your engine suuuuuuuckkkkkkksss! Wanna know why? Basically it's like this. Doesn't matters how strong teams are there is just to many random situations when one teams goes from - 10 to +3! well my friend in REAL handball it doesn't work like that. even twice weaker team can hold +10 for quite some time and not national teams that have equal or stronger then opponent. Well you must be wondering what i'm talking about! well here is example of most foolish game recently (since that Croatia- Denmark farce) Once again it happen that Croatia (298,6) lost such a big advantage ( from +9 to -3 at the end) against Slovenia (290,5). Common f***ing unbelievable! This really pisses me off as there are so many lets call it stupid thing happening right now and that weaker team goes from -9 to +3 is just unreal. When NT's play there should be no oscillation in the result. Even my team would hold those +9 and i think most of people will agree that stronger team leading +9 can't loose that advantage. Well i can only say that you engine doesn't works well. Lets say it that at least better team has equal chances to score but surely better team has slightly better chance to make small goal series, i really don't know how did you set your engine but i can surely say that this is not the case. we see to often that teams leading +4 in last 5 mins loose that advantage, that some team makes huge series and it ruins peoples interest and hopes. In this Cro-Slo game in one moment there were 15 goals for Slovenia while just 3 goals for Croatia or 6 goals in row for Slovenia. IMHO here you can see all mistakes made in engine as chances that weaker team will make something like this equal that San Marino will win World Football Championship. Surely it's small and exists but is insignificant. So lets hope for everybody happiness and nerves that first thing that will be modified on HM will be engine as nothing is so annoying ATM. Hope that you will turn attention to this problem as people complained before also. Best way to improve this game is to solve basic problems and then deal with small things. please don't get me wrong i just wanna speak what's in peoples mind. Thnx, Gradri Well, you are right, the engine should change, it´s to rough with the teams, but everybody lived this situation, it´s not a drama, this is how HaMa is, teams who had 17-0 partial, teams with a lot worse value lost.......... [at]GM-Toto: and you´re a GM, you should be an example for the users, if a GM says shut up and things like this, how people are supposed to trust you and you´re decisions.
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Post by gradri on Feb 1, 2008 15:35:27 GMT 1
I don´t know if it only calculates the final result, but many only managers do that. At Spanish league has also happened something like that many times, but we know it´s normal and don´t do a drama of it but i believe that in those cases non of those weren't like this. This happens to often = PROBLEM! It happened to me also few times and it irritated me. Also what irritates me is changing groups manually because of some people.
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Post by st_alex on Feb 1, 2008 15:37:37 GMT 1
[at]GM-Toto: and you´re a GM, you should be an example for the users, if a GM says shut up and things like this, how people are supposed to trust you and you´re decisions. yeah, tell him, as GM he should fix himself easy group
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Post by gradri on Feb 1, 2008 15:40:04 GMT 1
very strange is that this never happen to Spain or Denmark! If this happend to you today against Portugal you would be pissed also...hmmmm? man get real... in this case what you say also indicates that Anders set engine not in the best way. And how the hell you know it only calculates final result well? First of all if it calculates final result result correct then it should also calculate 5 min results correct. There is no difference. btw Hattrick is not best engine example! there are much more better online managers that have good engine and that all should look up to. Maybe you don´t know, but the first time this happened to the national teams, Denmark made and equal against Asia, who had a lot worse value than Denmark (around 40 points at least). Never the less it's not about who it about why! And that's why HaMa needs new engine that will make calculations in correct and fair way!
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Post by dragosv on Feb 1, 2008 15:41:55 GMT 1
[at]GM-Toto: and you´re a GM, you should be an example for the users, if a GM says shut up and things like this, how people are supposed to trust you and you´re decisions. yeah, tell him, as GM he should fix himself easy group What are you talking? Because you where in the easy group and you where jealous, now groups are more compensated. You thought that you don´t have to face the top 3 teams in the group, so one of them will be eliminated. Now that the groups are compensated you start blaming everybody why Croatia hasn´t better rank points.
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Post by gradri on Feb 1, 2008 15:48:01 GMT 1
yeah, tell him, as GM he should fix himself easy group What are you talking? Because you where in the easy group and you where jealous, now groups are more compensated. You thought that you don´t have to face the top 3 teams in the group, so one of them will be eliminated. Now that the groups are compensated you start blaming everybody why Croatia hasn ´t better rank points. lets not open this subject, but i will add only one comment! if you allow computer to make result calculations allow him to make groups as well and not interfere adjusting them in the way someone likes.
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Post by dragosv on Feb 1, 2008 15:51:44 GMT 1
What are you talking? Because you where in the easy group and you where jealous, now groups are more compensated. You thought that you don´t have to face the top 3 teams in the group, so one of them will be eliminated. Now that the groups are compensated you start blaming everybody why Croatia hasn ´t better rank points. lets not open this subject, but i will add only one comment! if you allow computer to make result calculations allow him to make groups as well and not interfere adjusting them in the way someone likes. Ok, I will let you have the last word, but what should influence the game? Let´s putt it like this, the only thing that make the result uncertaing before the match starts is the random, without it the team who has the best rang will win always. I´m not saying that it´s good, but..............as for now, the tactics where the only things suggested............
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Post by totoo on Feb 1, 2008 15:59:45 GMT 1
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Post by gradri on Feb 1, 2008 16:07:26 GMT 1
lets not open this subject, but i will add only one comment! if you allow computer to make result calculations allow him to make groups as well and not interfere adjusting them in the way someone likes. Ok, I will let you have the last word, but what should influence the game? Let´s putt it like this, the only thing that make the result uncertaing before the match starts is the random, without it the team who has the best rang will win always. I´m not saying that it´s good, but..............as for now, the tactics where the only things suggested............ well i agree that if there is no random tactics would make only difference. First of all what i think that this game needs is stats for chances that were in game, percantage of golas from those chances . lets say in this way there were 8 chances from the wing and 7 were goals, 5/10 from LB and 3/5 RB , 3/5 LP and 2/2 PM and 4/6 7m. in this case 24/36 = 66% eff. this would help to understand much better the result oscillations during the game. ATM result shows only goals and doesn't show opportunities. Better team should have more opportunities and that's where tactics would be most important not just random as it is now. Hope you understand what i mean.
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