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Post by dnepro on Sept 6, 2007 13:55:21 GMT 1
i think having man to man marking would be bad because the team that have a player being marked couldn't do anything so this team would be prejudicated... wrong! Imagine you have a great Winger. And in the 3 last games you had put that winger in the left side. maybe your opponent would try to cover the Left winger position. If you are a good coach you can anticipate this and put your winger in right side. is a question of strategy:)
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Post by Ci4o on Sept 6, 2007 14:00:30 GMT 1
i would say it's more about luck then strategy
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Post by dnepro on Sept 6, 2007 14:05:30 GMT 1
yes, but dnepro also said that the team who chooses that tactics will be more exposed to goals of weaker players... Yes, but is not exposed to goals of weaker players, is from "non-marked" players . How much players you mark, much space the "non- marked" players will have to score goals. In practic, my idea is to decrease in 10% each player you mark, but in the other hand the non marked players would be increased. imagine you mark only one player (5+1): that one will decrease 10%, and the other five would have more space to score goals, which means they will increase 2% each. Imagine you mark two players (4+2): the both marked players would decrease 10% each, but the other 4 players would have even more space which means they will increase in 5%. (...)
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Post by Ci4o on Sept 6, 2007 14:09:59 GMT 1
yes, i was thinking of "non-marked" , not weaker...
but i couldnt explain it like u do... damn, you're good
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Post by dnepro on Sept 6, 2007 14:15:13 GMT 1
i would say it's more about luck then strategy I also agree with this mechanism applied to players instead positions But I think it would be much more difficult to implement. Imagine you sell your player before the match or even you can put him in the bench to give training to a younger player (I do this many times)... This situations can happen and I don't know how the tactic will react. maybe Anders have an idea to resolve this but thanks to all of you for the colaboration
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Post by Ci4o on Sept 6, 2007 14:24:44 GMT 1
well, you just gave an idea... it's up to Anders will he develop it and how will he apply it... Imagine you sell your player before the match or even you can put him in the bench to give training to a younger player (I do this many times)... This situations can happen and I don't know how the tactic will react. as u can see u can choose 2 tactics... u put the first tactic on "m2m(man-to-man)" and the second on 6-0... if choosen m2m player is on the field u will play m2m tactics, and if he's out 6-0... thats my view of a solution...
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Post by dnepro on Sept 6, 2007 14:36:21 GMT 1
as u can see u can choose 2 tactics... u put the first tactic on "m2m(man-to-man)" and the second on 6-0... if choosen m2m player is on the field u will play m2m tactics, and if he's out 6-0...thats my view of a solution...
Yes, I think something like that could work
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Post by sp16 on Sept 7, 2007 23:16:03 GMT 1
i think that is a good idea and that will die ;\
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Post by sp16 on Sept 17, 2007 2:24:13 GMT 1
come on guys.. dont let this idea die.. ! If we dont improve this game we will always play a game based on the value of the team or luck ! If you have a better team you win or... you have a better team but you loose withouth no explication .. thats the lucky part of it. We need to do something to make the game more interesting and to the coach to have more responsability on the results of the games, to use more their brains.
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Post by yofdm on Sept 17, 2007 9:29:40 GMT 1
Good idea but I think you're mistaking defensive tactics like 4-2 or 5-1 and what you call "marking close".
In my opinion, 5-1 should decrease the PM performance and increase the rest, 4-2 is the same for the 2 backs, 3-3 decreases both back and PM while 6-0 would decrease wings and PM... Like in real handball.
Then you have the "marking close" defense that consists in choosing one PLAYER (not a position) and never let him get the ball in offence. But, like in real handball this tactic should lower the rest of the defense a lot because there are just 5 players left for the same surface
In real handball, "marking close" is not used as often as 5-1 or 4-2, it is only used when there is one player really better than the others and you almost never make "marking close" on two players at the same time.
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Post by Ci4o on Sept 17, 2007 15:04:17 GMT 1
you are right, but when defense tactics became effective, we can talk about that...
till then...
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Post by dnepro on Oct 30, 2007 23:58:15 GMT 1
It's a nice idea, i thought of something similar. But what if you apponent choses to move the Left back you want to cover to the Right back? Then you will cover the wrong person. Or should you in the tactics chose a player by name or should it be a possition? And what about the substitute should he also be covered? So Anders, are you still thinking in changing the tactical plan of the game?
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Post by passonov on Dec 22, 2007 4:09:41 GMT 1
i think Ci4o is right!!! 5-1, 4-2, 3-3, this tacticts will decrease positions not players!!! like 5-1, will decrease the PM and increase the rest of team!! but if the coach chose man-2-man marking in the player like lovgren, only this player will decrease and if the opponent coach put lovgren in PM or LB or LP he will be always suffering a man-2-man marking!!! So to do this right whe wave to chose d player and not the positio...
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Post by passonov on Dec 22, 2007 4:16:01 GMT 1
another thing!!! to do this more real the players need a defense caractheristc dont you think??? how do i now if the player is a good defender?? its the defence that win games in handbal!! it will be another options to the coachs. more options!
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