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Post by mmrozek on Nov 26, 2007 20:57:26 GMT 1
Hi,
there is one big problem in Czech leagues (i supposed that in others too).
Many users want to sale players from more much money. It is very easy. They are raising bids on their owns players placed at the market. It is very unfair doing. Problem is that if he sell player he earm much more money than if he dit not raises bids himself. But if he don´t sell player (he buy him by yourself) he lost little sum of money, but he can sell him again. Rules are blind and don´t solve this problem. Lot of czech managers are angry, because they cant buy player due this problem.
I offered to Ander solve of this problem, but he still don ´t respod to me (i know he is very busy)
But it is very simply. Raise bids on my own player is no longer possible. But there are new option at the market - pull player back. In that case manager lost sum of money that he paid to players agent and alslo lost any percentake (e.g 20-25%) of last bid which go to the last biding manager as compensation. I hate vhen anybody wants to earn more money by unfair doing.
Andersm is it cheatig? I think thay yes.
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Post by GM-JRGalo on Nov 26, 2007 21:10:52 GMT 1
I think it isn´t cheating. I can´t stand is why I have to put my players cheap. If you think a player is expensive DON´T bid for him, the manager will descrease the price next time. I think if anders ban bidding for your players, he should also eliminate the comission of putting on sale.
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Post by st_alex on Nov 26, 2007 21:36:09 GMT 1
I agree with JRGalo first you need to have enough money to bid for yours player second when you buy a player from yourself his wage is changed (higher)
why are users angry? if owner don't want to sell a player for offered money it is his right
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Post by mmrozek on Nov 27, 2007 5:33:41 GMT 1
OK, but then we have there more cheaters whith multiaccout. They will be selfraising to wanted sum on POOR players and then buy him by next his team and earn much more money... This is what I mean. Of cource that i have not enought money to bid, I do not bid on player.
In real transfer market it is impossible to bin on own player. But there are possibility to pull player back.
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Post by mbjorn on Nov 27, 2007 11:21:54 GMT 1
I also think that it is a bit idiotic to make it possible to bid on own players. As mmrozek says its not possible in real life. And the sum for the player is higher than it should be when the owner presses the price. There is a opportunity to set a minimum sum for the player - why not use that? When you put a player on the transfer market at a low price you take a change - if you not higher the bid yourself....
I also know that you have to have the money the player is costing if you want to by him "back", but isn't that just making the rich managers richer and not giving the poor managers a chance of making a good signing?
Best regards mbjorn
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Post by dragosv on Nov 27, 2007 11:56:12 GMT 1
I also think that it is a bit idiotic to make it possible to bid on own players. As mmrozek says its not possible in real life. And the sum for the player is higher than it should be when the owner presses the price. There is a opportunity to set a minimum sum for the player - why not use that? When you put a player on the transfer market at a low price you take a change - if you not higher the bid yourself.... I also know that you have to have the money the player is costing if you want to by him "back", but isn't that just making the rich managers richer and not giving the poor managers a chance of making a good signing? Best regards mbjorn In real life you can reject a sale if you want. But still, the self-bid It´s a bit confusing.
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Post by mbjorn on Nov 27, 2007 12:56:07 GMT 1
Yes you can reject, but this is not the same. Here there is an auction - that you cannot reject.
My point is that I think it is wrong that it is possible to bid on own players just to get the price higher. Then you have to make a higher minimum price.
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Post by st_alex on Nov 27, 2007 13:31:59 GMT 1
I also think that it is a bit idiotic to make it possible to bid on own players. As mmrozek says its not possible in real life. And the sum for the player is higher than it should be when the owner presses the price. There is a opportunity to set a minimum sum for the player - why not use that? When you put a player on the transfer market at a low price you take a change - if you not higher the bid yourself.... I also know that you have to have the money the player is costing if you want to by him "back", but isn't that just making the rich managers richer and not giving the poor managers a chance of making a good signing? Best regards mbjorn sorry but when I put 10M player on TL i have to spend too much money for it, better option is to put him on TL fo 10K and then to bid 10M
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Post by mbjorn on Nov 27, 2007 13:48:10 GMT 1
That is like cheating I think. Then the player is sold above the marketprice. If he is worth 10M then he will also be sold at that price.
That is how auctions works - and then sometimes you make a good deal and other times you don't. This will also give the "hard-working" managers an opportunity to make a good signing.
Now you have my opinion.
Best regards mbjorn
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Post by mmrozek on Nov 27, 2007 15:26:18 GMT 1
I also think that it is a bit idiotic to make it possible to bid on own players. As mmrozek says its not possible in real life. And the sum for the player is higher than it should be when the owner presses the price. There is a opportunity to set a minimum sum for the player - why not use that? When you put a player on the transfer market at a low price you take a change - if you not higher the bid yourself.... I also know that you have to have the money the player is costing if you want to by him "back", but isn't that just making the rich managers richer and not giving the poor managers a chance of making a good signing? Best regards mbjorn sorry but when I put 10M player on TL i have to spend too much money for it, better option is to put him on TL fo 10K and then to bid 10M i think no. You lost same money. if you put player on TL for little sum, you vill paid any % to players agent. But if you sold player you will paid to players agent % os sellig sum - % that were paid before. In final it is same sum
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Post by MOD-Andrejic on Nov 28, 2007 7:20:37 GMT 1
It's cruel, but not a cheat If he bided his own player, and it's expensive to you, than don't buy him. It's simple ... The next time, he is not going to raise his player's price if he can't sell him in such a way
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Post by yofdm on Dec 3, 2007 15:02:03 GMT 1
I think self bidding is not a problem, it is even a way to make the game more fair: It's obvious that players sell better around 11 p.m. C.E.T (and this is one of the reasons why Galo is so rich ). Managers who cannot be online on such time really get a disadvantage from this. Self bidding allow them to set the price they want without having to pay the fee and still having a small chance to sell their player a good price. European managers already have a big advantage. Suppressing self bidding would make it even bigger.
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Post by ameeshoth on Dec 6, 2007 11:18:48 GMT 1
I also don't see a problem here at all. If someone starts bidding on his own player, stop bidding Yourself. Problem solved.
In the long run, people who bid on their own players will realize that they don't sell players that way. Unless there are other players who're stupid enough to raise the bid everytime.
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Post by GM-JRGalo on Dec 10, 2007 13:03:46 GMT 1
- From today you can only make one bid on your own players I don´t like new rule
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Post by yofdm on Dec 11, 2007 6:09:42 GMT 1
I hope at least there is no limit to the only bid you can make. If the bidding system stays the same then it is the most stupid rule of this game... It is too bad to see that the rules have changed just because of a couple of guys complaining .
It would have been more fair to give a fee to managers buying their own players instead of just forbidding it...
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