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Post by donfidschi on Feb 7, 2007 13:56:33 GMT 1
I'm interested in your opinion...
As seen on the world championship in Germany, it is possible to fill stadiums with about 20'000 spectators. In the future national teams will perhaps attract more spectators on european or world championships.
But i guess that there is a limit for club teams. In Germany sometimes club teams attract 10'000 spectators.
In this game i see that there are teams having a stadium for about 30'000 spectators... I think this is pretty unrealistic. Anders, could you please fix a limit for the stadiums. And further more a better calculation for the home games. When a team plays in leage 2 the stadium should be sold out only once a season, when the team is placed first and plays against the second placed, or so.
What do you think?
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Post by GM-JRGalo on Feb 7, 2007 14:51:42 GMT 1
It´s the same as HT, you see stadiums in 8th with 20k spectators, and in real life in 2nd division rarely comes more than 10k.
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Post by schmu on Feb 7, 2007 16:36:17 GMT 1
I agree with donfidschi
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Post by elpiase on Feb 7, 2007 17:32:23 GMT 1
I think in a game like handballmania this is not the only unrealistic thing. You can find teams in 3 category with 1 or 2 millions of cash, is this realistic? It's realistic a team in italy without italian players in the first team? (ehm, maybe this is realistic... ) In my opinion this is not a problem, if the game is good belanced there can be also something little unreal
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Post by GM-CÄÜLLÄY on Feb 7, 2007 23:54:32 GMT 1
Being the biggest Stadium in Handball... i agree
It was far too easy to get a big stadium
I have been playing since day one and i already have 30,000... it was easy
But I want to hear more suggestions before we decide what to do
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Post by zujo23 on Feb 8, 2007 0:23:11 GMT 1
I was planning to propose the same thing.
IMO, unlimited and uncontrolled stadium expansion has made money-making become too easy, and for this reason we have players selling at 6-7 million Euro, which is quite high amount, especially if you compare it with the money that the beginners get, or with the prizes for winning the league etc.
I believe there are three solutions to the problem:
1) Limit the stadium size to 20.000K which would be realistic; or
2) Make it very difficult to sell-out all the seats in the stadium, just like in HT. For example, in HT I expanded my stadium from 37K to 52K two seasons ago, and I never managed to sell it out due to various reasons (loss in the previous week, bad weather...), which is causing huge financial problems for me, and for more than two seasons I was not able to buy any new players; or
3) Reduce the ticket price and thus reduce the income, while increasing stadium cost.
I guess that the best solution would be the combination of these 3 things.
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Post by vorderpneu on Feb 8, 2007 9:43:43 GMT 1
2) Make it very difficult to sell-out all the seats in the stadium, just like in HT. For example, in HT I expanded my stadium from 37K to 52K two seasons ago, and I never managed to sell it out due to various reasons (loss in the previous week, bad weather...), which is causing huge financial problems for me, and for more than two seasons I was not able to buy any new players; That's the point. may be anders should change the formula that calculates the number of specators, so that there are less spectators than now. Maybe he also should raise the cost for rebuilding the stadium and the weekly stadium costs. Even now it's not possible to fill a big stadium every match. I've got a 19k stadium and it isn't sold out everytime, even though I win nearly every match in the first division. So I don't see any reason to rebuild my stadium to 30k I don't think it's necessary to limit the stadium size. if you're able to pay it you should be free to have an oversized stadium (even though there is no sense for such a stadium). But it's then your problem if only 20% of the tickets are sold.
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Post by GM-Elsaak on Feb 8, 2007 12:08:54 GMT 1
IMO, I've noticed that "places sold in games" and "supporter" are linked. my personnal forumla using for building my stadium is then : VIP = 1 *Nbr of supporters place = 8 * Nbr of supporters TOTAL is 9 * Nbr of supporters Since I use it, my stadium is ALWAYS full at home. I'm now over 3100 supporters, and my results are pretty good Now, I’m waiting for a new 21500 seats stadium, and I don’t see why I should stop increased on that base. My long-term objectif could be 30.000, so why do you want me to limit it ?
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Post by shacazulu on Feb 8, 2007 21:32:07 GMT 1
If we're trying to emulate the reality let's talk about the salaries that we're paying these days for some players.
To pay those amounts you must have some cash flow in and the only way is in the home games........
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Post by MOD-djthoms on Feb 9, 2007 0:47:53 GMT 1
I was planning to propose the same thing. IMO, unlimited and uncontrolled stadium expansion has made money-making become too easy, and for this reason we have players selling at 6-7 million Euro, which is quite high amount, especially if you compare it with the money that the beginners get, or with the prizes for winning the league etc. I believe there are three solutions to the problem: 1) Limit the stadium size to 20.000K which would be realistic; or 2) Make it very difficult to sell-out all the seats in the stadium, just like in HT. For example, in HT I expanded my stadium from 37K to 52K two seasons ago, and I never managed to sell it out due to various reasons (loss in the previous week, bad weather...), which is causing huge financial problems for me, and for more than two seasons I was not able to buy any new players; or 3) Reduce the ticket price and thus reduce the income, while increasing stadium cost. I guess that the best solution would be the combination of these 3 things. The salary has already been adjusted And if you buy players from now on they'll always be very expensive. That's what already been done for this, and the argument about the money beginners don't stand... cause in my opinion beginners should fight their way up, they start in the lower leagues, and don't need the best players. Then there would be too many equal teams in the game! teams in the best leagues are better than the lower league teams... (in some time)
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Post by GM-CÄÜLLÄY on Feb 11, 2007 1:13:39 GMT 1
i will say aswell i have never sold out my stadium since its been over 25,000
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Post by gadaffiduck on Feb 11, 2007 8:49:04 GMT 1
Isn't that a ship which already has sailed. You can't change it again. That would be unfair for teams who joins the game now, economywise that who break the game in half, those who has large arenas and joined the game at a early stage and those who joined after the new stadium rules. And what about the teams with a large stadium. Should you then remove the the seats from thair arenas, that´s not fair!!!!! regards Gadaffi Duck
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Post by schmu on Feb 11, 2007 12:46:47 GMT 1
I don't think so. In HT one of my freinds bought an arena for 50000, I had to pay 200000 for the same size just because I joined later, thats the way it is. And as long as new players play against new players there is no problem
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Post by st_alex on Feb 11, 2007 16:09:40 GMT 1
That HT change is started to ruin HT and it was a main reason for falling prices etc. it would be a bad move, prices shouldn't be realistic because this is only a game,and it is working very well for now, is it real or not I don't care... it is 100 better ways to upgrade the game then this...
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Post by schmu on Feb 11, 2007 17:20:17 GMT 1
I don't care if prices are realistic, but it's way too easy to make money and good players become too expensive. And HT is one of the most succesful sportmanagers on this planet, so I don't think it's ruined
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